Now that you explain your position, I do see what you're saying, and agree with you. Generally when you hear about a community cleaning itself up, it's just that. Neighbors taking the initiative to patrol, etc.

I would also agree that the cops are generally PART of the issue as opposed to being the 'force for good' that they claim to be. It seems that you can get a band of completely harmless and even (at times) fairly stupid folks together, and you'll probably only have to worry about some memes and maybe an uneventful gun rally or two. Throw some feds in the mix, however, and suddenly you've got a bunch of guys who think they're "divinely inspired" and want to pull off some kind of historic act.