She is definitely not a national socialist..... And even if she was, she had far better arguments than Larken, who was just trying to get cheers from the crowd the whole time to supplement his bad ideological arguments. You're claiming I'm not a real ancap because I have a different interpretation of some aspects and don't conform to the dogma. This is exactly the point I'm trying to make. There is no real discussion. You claim I want to initiate force without any justification for that claim. You don't know my point of view. And on top of that, you're missing the point of what I'm saying on natural law. We have governments, and we have never had anarchy. Therefore natural law has never been actually implemented. At a metaphysical level it always exists, but it is not apparent in the structure of world governance. If it's already here, we already have anarcho capitalism, so what's the point of even being ancap?