Wow, this is a very fascinating interview. Something we are definitely not taught in the public (programming) Err I mean "education" system. Throughout history or herstory or his or her story. You find that there was an understanding of the nature of debt & its effects on economy. & about every 50 years all private citizen debts were wiped clean, which of course (duhh) gives more power to the working class people to BUY THINGS. Therefore a miraculous economic reinvigoration would & (could again) proceed! So this is part of a solution to many problems we are have. Cancel the debt, or keep going into a 1984/brave new world kinda reality. For the Oligarchs grow fatter & fatter on debt peonage...