I'm aware of all of thus , but I stand by what I wrote. Tramiel supposedly was the one shelved the 7800. Atari had nothing to compete with Nintendo. Even with the 7800, the joystick alone was reason enough for players to look at the NES and even though they did have the Atari Joypad, players didn't like how it felt. Too little, too late. That we can probably agree on.