"if a group doesn't want a government they could be given a certain area where they could exercise their ideas" You might as well have said "exercise their rights" If the government has the power to give people a certain area to live, it also has the power to take it. That, as well as free school and healthcare, means the government is not as small as possible. It controls education... It controls what everyone in the country will be taught, it controls what children will be brainwashed into believing. It controls healthcare... It controls who gets treatment, who gets to live and die. Government controls your health. Police? and laws? so it gets to control how everyone lives, yes. You're granting a small group of people the power to create and enforce unjust laws. None of these things are small or 'necessary' (the forcing of it, not the service itself) No country right now is a prime example of the way we should be living. I am in Canada, my friend is currently in central america getting a surgery he needed because he couldn't here. People die in waiting lists on our free healthcare. I've not seen a single person content with the healthcare system. So, I think you should look into the experiences in these borderline socialist countries to come to conclusions as well. I can give you many links if you are interested, and you can add me on facebook if you want. Voluntaryist really is best. Freedom comes first!