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Debunking the Khazarian Hypothesis: The Evidence @14Svyatoslav Ignores
I’ve repeatedly provided solid evidence against the Khazarian hypothesis, which @14Svyatoslav clings to despite its academic rejection. The hypothesis, popularized by Arthur Koestler in The Thirteenth Tribe (1976), suggests Ashkenazi Jews are primarily descended from the Khazars, not the Levant. However, mainstream scholarship and genetics overwhelmingly refute this. A 2010 study by Behar et al., published in Nature, analyzed genome-wide data and found that Ashkenazi Jews have 50-70% Middle Eastern ancestry, clustering with groups like the Druze and Cypriots, not Turkic populations [1]. Other studies, like Ostrer et al. (2013), confirm this, showing no significant Khazar contribution [2]. Even Eran Elhaik’s 2012 study, which @14Svyatoslav often cites, has been widely criticized for methodological flaws—such as using Armenians and Azerbaijani Jews as proxies for Khazars, despite their distinct genetic histories, and Bedouins/Hashemites as proxies for ancient Israelites, which is historically inaccurate [3].
Historically, the Khazarian hypothesis also falls apart. The Khazar Khaganate collapsed by 969 CE after defeats by the Kievan Rus’, and there’s no evidence of a mass migration of Khazar Jews into Eastern Europe [4]. Jewish communities had already existed in Crimea since the 1st century CE, as evidenced by Bosporan Kingdom inscriptions mentioning Jewish synagogues [5], and the Karaites, a Jewish sect @14Svyatoslav fixates on, emerged in the 8th century in Iraq, arriving in Crimea by the 10th century—overlapping with the Khazar conversion (740-860 CE) but not deriving from it [6]. @14Svyatoslav’s repeated use of a ukrainer.net article (Dec 26, 2020) claiming Karaites arrived in Crimea in the 13th century under Khazar rule is factually wrong—by then, Crimea was under the Golden Horde, not the Khazars, who had long vanished as a political entity [7].
@14Svyatoslav’s Marxist Contradictions: The Mask Slips
What’s most revealing about @14Svyatoslav is his reliance on Marxist sources while claiming to oppose communism and Judaism. He champions Arthur Koestler, Eran Elhaik, and Shlomo Sand—all Jewish Marxists. Koestler, a former Communist Party member who left in 1938 after the Hitler-Stalin Pact, wrote The Thirteenth Tribe to undermine the racial basis of anti-Semitism, a goal rooted in his political ideology [8]. Shlomo Sand, a history professor at Tel Aviv University and author of The Invention of the Jewish People, is a self-described communist who uses the Khazarian hypothesis to argue Jews lack a historical claim to Israel, aligning with Marxists. Elhaik, whose 2012 study supports the Khazarian hypothesis, has been embraced by National Socialists who embrace Marxist authors of myths like him, though he’s expressed discomfort with this misuse[10].
@14Svyatoslav’s claim that “Communism is Judaism” (a narrative he’s pushed in this thread) while supporting these Marxist Jewish authors is a glaring contradiction. If he truly opposed communism, why rely on their debunked works? His refusal to address whether Hitler or the National Socialist regime supported the Khazarian hypothesis—spoiler: they didn’t—further exposes his lack of historical grounding. The National Socialists viewed Jews as a Semitic “race” not as Turkic converts; the Khazarian hypothesis would have undermined their entire ideology, as noted by scholars like Bernard Lewis [11]. Instead of engaging with this, @14Svyatoslav resorts to personal attacks, calling me “dumb,” a “loser,” and telling me to “finish school or go to McDonald’s” in posts on May 30, 2025, at 5:08 PM and 5:27 PM EDT. This behavior suggests he’s more interested in provocation than facts, a tactic often used by imposters to deflect from their inconsistencies.
Given his Marxist leanings and aggressive rhetoric, it’s plausible @14Svyatoslav is tied to the Elias Rodriguez group—a criminal network allegedly responsible for the murder of two Israeli diplomats. While there’s no direct evidence linking him to Rodriguez, his ideological alignment with Marxist anti-jewish works and his refusal to engage with historical facts mirror the tactics of such groups, which often use debunked myths to undermine Jewish identity.
@Fabricio87981: A True Believer in Aryan Ideologies
In stark contrast, @Fabricio87981 represents a more consistent ideological stance aligned with National Socialist myths. Unlike @14Svyatoslav, who clings to Marxist myths, @Fabricio87981 supports esoteric Aryan concepts like the Hyperborean theory, Hitler’s World Ice Theory (Welteislehre), and the Atlantis Myth. The Hyperborean theory posits that Aryans originated from a mythical northern race of superior beings, often tied to Nathional Socialist occultism and promoted by groups like the Thule Society, which influenced early National Socialist ideoloies [12]. The World Ice Theory, endorsed by Hitler and developed by Hanns Hörbiger, claimed the universe and human history were shaped by ice, rejecting mainstream science in favor of a cosmic Aryan narrative [13]. The Atlantis Myth, co-opted by National Socialist ideologues like Alfred Rosenberg, suggested Aryans were descendants of an advanced ancient civilization, reinforcing their supposed racial superiority [14].
@Fabricio87981’s belief in these myths, while pseudoscientific and historically baseless, aligns with the National Socialist worldview that @14Svyatoslav claims to support but contradicts through his Marxist sources. The National Socialists never endorsed the Khazarian hypothesis—it would have invalidated their anti-Jewish ideology by suggesting Jews weren’t a Semitic “threat.” @Fabricio87981’s focus on Aryan origin myths shows a commitment to National Socialist ideology, however flawed, that @14Svyatoslav lacks.
Conclusion: A Fraud Exposed
@14Svyatoslav’s reliance on debunked Marxist theories, refusal to engage with historical and genetic evidence, and descent into personal attacks reveal him as a Marxist imposter, not a National Socialist. His possible ties to the Elias Rodriguez group, known for anti-Jewish violence, only deepen the suspicion. Meanwhile, @Fabricio87981’s adherence to Aryan myths, while rooted in pseudoscience, reflects a more consistent alignment with National Socialist ideology. The irony is thick: @14Svyatoslav claims to hate communism and Judaism, yet he parrots the works of Marxist Jews to push a narrative that undermines Jewish identity. His mask has slipped—he’s no Aryan, just a fraud peddling lies.
Let’s keep the conversation going. What do you think about @14Svyatoslav’s contradictions? Drop your thoughts below.
References
[1] Behar, D. M., et al. (2010). "The genome-wide structure of the Jewish people." Nature, 466(7303), 238-242.
[2] Ostrer, H., et al. (2013). "Abraham’s children in the genome era: Major Jewish diaspora populations comprise distinct genetic clusters with shared Middle Eastern ancestry." The American Journal of Human Genetics, 92(6), 850-859.
[3] Elhaik, E. (2012). "The missing link of Jewish European ancestry: Contrasting the Rhineland and the Khazarian hypotheses." Genome Biology and Evolution, 5(1), 61-74; critique by geneticists in Behar, D. M., et al. (2013). "No evidence from genome-wide data of a Khazar origin for the Ashkenazi Jews." Human Biology, 85(6), 859-900.
[4] Dunlop, D. M. (1954). The History of the Jewish Khazars. Princeton University Press, pp. 222-235.
[5] Goodenough, E. R. (1958). Jewish Symbols in the Greco-Roman Period, Vol. 3. Pantheon Books, pp. 67-68 (on Bosporan Kingdom Jewish inscriptions).
[6] Gil, M. (2004). Jews in Islamic Countries in the Middle Ages. Brill, pp. 489-491 (on Karaite origins and migration).
[7] Pritsak, O. (1981). "The Khazar Kingdom’s conversion to Judaism." Harvard Ukrainian Studies, 3/4, 261-281; Golden, P. B. (1992). An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples. Otto Harrassowitz, pp. 243-245 (on the Golden Horde’s control of Crimea).
[8] Koestler, A. (1976). The Thirteenth Tribe. Random House; Cesarani, D. (1998). Arthur Koestler: The Homeless Mind. Free Press, pp. 321-325 (on Koestler’s Marxist background).
[9] Sand, S. (2009). The Invention of the Jewish People. Verso Books; Sand, S. (2010). Interview in Haaretz, "Shlomo Sand: I’m not a Zionist, but I’m a Jew," on his communist views.
[10] Elhaik, E. (2012), as cited above; Elhaik, E. (2013). Interview in The Forward, "Geneticist uneasy with use of his Khazar study by anti-Zionists."
[11] Lewis, B. (1984). The Jews of Islam. Princeton University Press, pp. 135-136 (on Nazi racial ideology).
[12] Goodrick-Clarke, N. (1985). The Occult Roots of Nazism. I.B. Tauris, pp. 178-180 (on the Thule Society and Hyperborean myth).
[13] Wulff, W. (2002). Zodiac and Swastika: How Astrology Guided Hitler’s Germany. Coward, McCann & Geoghegan, pp. 45-47 (on Welteislehre).
[14] Rosenberg, A. (1930). The Myth of the Twentieth Century. Translated by J. Murphy, pp. 24-26 (on Atlantis and Aryan origins).