Appreciate the reply regardless of the snarling involved.

To be entirely honest HIVE doesn't pay me enough to brain wash me into overlooking the obvious lackings here and there. It's not perfect however it's accessible and easy to develop for when you compare the barrier to entry of engineering applications for it compared to something like solidarity on ETH.

After using chains without fees over the past almost half decade it's an annoyance to spend anything sending operations or transfers.. Perhaps steem/ HIVE spoiled us in that regards.

You're leaned the right direction stating that those deploying large amounts of hardware for infrustructure may be running at a loss, such is the cost of doing business. For the average witness who is developing apps on HIVE though it's not terribly difficult to get enough support to atleast have your infrastructure covered by the network itself.

"You witnesses are so wrapped up in your own cult you haven't even kept up with the innovations in the crypto space."

This here actually made me smile. While at times the witnesses act as a united front for the most part there isn't a whole hell of a lot of "group think" or anything going on, most people focus on their little piece and try to avoid the politics and shit, I don't blame em!

"You are sipping on some high-grade hopium without offering a single "killer app" anyone is building on Hive."

Hell man, I'm building stuff on HIVE right now that is arguably as close to the bleeding edge of it's style of market that is possible with a single man development team.. And this is just finishing up on stuff that is going to be released to generate income so I can focus on the types of apps and games that will attract even those not currently within the crypto sphere to inevitably get sucked in to "the cult".

STEEM and the way it was run looking back on it now is easy to see the path of ruin.. But none of us were complaining when it was $8 a pop were we? lmao. As for HIVE considering the age of the project and the fact we've basically cut the heads off the management in favour of having the technology gifted witness types steer the ship it will be interesting to see what comes of it. One interesting side effect to all of this is that even a relative nobody can enter this space and with enough persistence and work actually get things changed if they are able to convince those holding the largest stakes the idea is beneficial.

"you choose to live in your delusional bubble cult and continue to believe Hive is better and the unicorns and fairies will come"

Eh, HIVE is just one of many chains that I've currently got my dick dipped into, it's certainly the most socially accessible of the networks I fuck with. The whole thing of lamenting "People and developers don't use Hive because it's bad." seems strange to me.. At the fundemental core the technology is superb compared to a lot of shit out there when you consider metrics like scalability, cost of operation and total hypothetical IOPS.. The DPOS governance and top witness control of the chain version is something that I'd personally have redone into a system with less emphasis on a popularity contest and more emphasis on making it accessible to anyone wanting to witness in order to enhance the rate at which the servers running the network branch out globally.

Shit... Hive/steem/graphene is not perfect, never has been from conception.. But as far as blockchains that don't require thousands of dollars to develop and test apps on it's actually in the top percentile when you look at actual performance and costs. For the average lay-person very little of this matters as that type tends to consume and use applications without even the slightest inklings of the incredible amount of engineering building a real-time web or crypto application involves.. In the case of HIVE the whole thing has only within the last year even existed, if you'd like to gravitate towards percieving it as still born that is fine for sure.. However given the amount of time it generally takes development teams to build truly remarkable apps you're putting the horse ahead of the cart saying no "killer apps" are being developed.. Hell, the network has barely been around long enough to properly layout an application design let alone build the thing. XD

"And to say "Eth died" is absolutely delusional and devoid of reality. "

Crypto and it's core important fundamentals seem to differ between person to person. The whole DAO thing to me personally proved that of some govt agency went and stepped on Vitaliks balls hard enough that he'd be inclined to make changes they saw fit.. So for me personally ETH died when they forked off to cover their own asses.. Do people still use that shit? Of course! However is it a network completely safe from being manipulated from state actors or whomever? Absolutely not.

ETH classic is the real etherium.. The ETH we know today is merely a mockery of what the network could have been had they not decided to destroy the immutability aspect of their blockchain. This is merely my thoughts on their situation after being in crypto basically since it's inception.. Different people look at different things when they rank cryptos.. Immutability is one I look at a bunch. HIVE is not perfect in this respect either.. As we saw with the hostile takeover.. Same way I'd say steem is dead even though it still has users and active transactions going on the fundementals that it was based off of were tested and shown to have glaring holes in it.. Has HIVE fixed these holes? ehhhh... The risk of an outside bad actor coming in and buying up enough HIVE to take over the top spots is possible.. But if it happened I wouldn't even be sad as I'd be dumping into the price which would increase thousands of times over in this hypothetical situation and shifting focus onto other networks.

Hive isn't some bastion of perfection which I demand everyone be a part of in order to make it great.. Honestly I don't really fucking care if HIVE goes to $10 or to $0.01 in the end.. It's merely an affordable platform on which I can develop applications that can and will be ported over to other crypto networks which have a steeper developer entry price.. Do your heavy lifting and testing on a fast and free blockchain then if you find something else you'd like to offer services for.. do it.

I like HIVE, I like the little community we have here and the social aspect that comes with it all. Compared to other crypto communities it's a far better sample of every day people rather than the general bunch of sweaty neck beards most crypto communities tend to comprise of.

"They will not until you completely overhaul and improve the platform."

Agree with you 100% here man. This isn't some snap your fingers and have success type of thing.. a shitload of planning, developing, executing and marketting needs to be laid out and done before this and many other chains are "production" ready. Is HIVE the next big crypto to moon? Eh, probably not.. However with that being said it's not a bad bet to accumulate some when people start dumping a bunch due to FUD or whatever. Because regardless of your perception and stance on the network we've got a pretty fucking talented conglomerate of developers that are around HIVE building things, eventually given enough time one of these development outfits is going to make something that goes viral and when that time comes those who've been squirreling away HIVE bags for the long HODL will be looking thicc and those who sold out entirely to move on to something else will mutter nasty things and kick themselves.

End of the day it's pretty darn easy for users / consumers to sit and talk shit about stuff.. But as a general rule unless you're actively developing something somewhere you're just back seat driving. Don't like how shit is run? Pffft, the easy fix is to build something better, right? :D

I understand where you're coming from.. I get the culty references and shit for sure, I find it kind of funny but also see how one comes to that conclusion. Does HIVE have potential? I think so else I'd be based on some other chain.. Will HIVE reach it's potential? That is entirely up to the hundreds of talented developers building the HIVE core software and 3rd party applications / use cases. It could flop, it could moon, it could become a means for others to make shitcoins and pretend to be crypto moguls. Don't put all your eggs in one basket and you'll be fine.. I promise. :D

Calling someone delusional because they are able to see future potential is something you're going to have to remind yourself to keep in check. Generally the average person is dismissive or even aggressive towards the possibility of things coming down the pipeline that drastically change the dynamics of everything.. If you don't see the potential that is entirely acceptable though, perhaps for yourself as an individual HIVE may not offer much in regards of tools to build a better future for yourself.. But for a developer like myself I see an affordable platform to build software on top of until something takes off and the age of post scarcity begins.

Sorry for the wall of text. I appreciate the actually thought out responses and while our views are not aligned I respect your observation and train of thought on things. Pessimism isn't always a bad thing, neither is optimism. Cheers captain.