Lol you can't beat mucky old ladies :) I will be one some day, I plan on growing old disgracefully :) An audio routine sounds good, however, I feel more comfortable around people, in a room, I will think about it though :) Can you send me the link anyway please? I could do a lion bar advert, I have the paws lol. I'm sure I will probably have a run in or 2, drunk, in future. I will be posting my story on @fp I may do it in 1 part or split it into 2, not sure yet. I can only speak about my experiences as a child in the system, I don't know much about the system itself, although I am learning with everything I have read, I even find myself questioning stuff that's happened over the years. Oh well, no time to dwell, thanks for all your help :)