In the summer after I completed my junior year of high school when I was 16 years old, my sister decided to give me a birthday present in the form of a driver’s education course so that I could get my driver’s license that same summer. After I finished my classroom instruction for the course, a driving instructor had me get behind the wheel in one of his training cars and he had me drive him all over the area to get me comfortable with the process.
Periodically, when I was driving, there would be girls my age or slightly older or slightly younger than me walking along the sidewalk, and occasionally one of them would look back and seem to be making a snide remark at me if my eyes even drifted her way. Perhaps my imagination could have been getting the best of me, because I was young and at times I could get subconscious in the presence of girls my age. However, it would greatly annoy me if any teenage girl acted as though every boy or man over the age of fourteen wanted to ravish her. It particularly annoyed me, because I had known of numerous cases in which girls my age had sexually harassed teenage boys and had made unwanted sexual advances at them; and somehow society always seemed to be okay with it.
I later spoke with my sister, who is older than me, about it and complained about how I did not appreciate how girls my age always acted so paranoid about the intentions of any male member of the human race who was beyond his playground phase of life. My sister explained to me that teenage girls simply did not appreciate getting the wrong kind of attention from strangers. She told me that back when she was 15 years old, she didn’t mind it so much if a handsome-looking, young man whistled at her and complimented her on the street. However, whenever a shabby, old man did so, she felt offended and grossed out.
This conversation reminded me of when I was 11 years old and my mother had these drinking glasses that had male models on them, and my sister’s 14-year-old friend, Terry, told my sister that she wanted a drinking glass that had a male model on it in his twenties rather than in his forties inasmuch as she claimed that she did not like older men. Then whenever Terry would go on about how she wanted to have some rock star’s baby, I would later find myself laughing my head off once I discovered in a magazine that this same rock star she was infatuated with was really older than her father.
So many years later, I saw a movie titled Blame It On Rio about a 17-year-old temptress who seduces her best friend’s 43-year-old father (played by Michael Caine) during their vacation together in Brazil. The movie pulled a bunch of laughs, and it was something different. There was nothing in the movie that I had found offensive. The movie was originally released in 1984 and went on to become a cult favorite for movie fans.
Three years earlier France had given the world a film titled Beau Pere that delved into similar subject matter, although this film was more of a drama than a comedy. This movie was about a 30-year-old pianist who has an affair with his 14-year-old stepdaughter after her mother dies in a car accident.
In 1977, the Netherlands gave us an equally controversial film titled Het Debuut (in English titled The Debut). This same movie was about a 14-year-old schoolgirl who has a forbidden affair with a middle-aged married man.
Now, I’m not going to pretend that the United States of America has an identical culture to that of France or even the Netherlands where society tends to be permissive about adolescent girls hooking up with older men. We don’t. However, I am also not going to pretend that adult/adolescent romantic relationships don’t exist in our nation either. They do.
In my previous Hive-Blog titled “What Is Mendacious Pedo-Shaming?”, I criticized an anonymous female writer for expressing skepticism about and badmouthing each and every film that has ever depicted a teenage girl either falling in love or becoming interested in a significantly older man. I realize that films like Blame It On Rio, Beau Pere and Het Debuut are not going to receive as much praise and approval from American feminists as sensationalistic films like Trust and Fallen Angel will. However controversial any American may find the films Blame It On Rio, Beau Pere and Het Debuut, these movies still did not push the limits to the extent that the 1977 German/Italian movie titled Maladolescenza did; and it is not fair to treat these three movies as exploitation films. At the end of the day, we Americans still need to stop seeing this subject matter with tunnel vision and stop allowing for all of the self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts to absorb us all into their make-believe world of age-appropriate perfection.
Now, I am not suggesting that every American teenage girl reading this Hive-Blog article here of mine should go out and hook up with an older man. I realize that grazing outside one’s pasture in this manner could welcome a whole myriad of unpleasant social pressures, and I definitely never recommend that a girl between 12 and 17 years old arranges to meet up with a stranger that she just met online no matter what part of the world she lives in. However, I also do not find it right that society continues to stigmatize adult/adolescent couples here in our nation when there is an abundance of proof out there that these relationships can and have worked.
A. Teenage Girls Do Not All Think Alike Regarding Age Differences In Romantic Relationships
On major Internet platforms, the topic of how teenage girls feel about older men showing them non-Platonic interest comes up every so often. Now, I’m not describing a situation in which a 99-year-old man goes chasing after an 11- or 12-year-old girl in a park. Quite honestly, I don’t think that such a man would be able to catch up to her to grab at her, because a girl that age could definitely outrun an elderly man; and he shouldn’t be chasing after her in the first place. What I am describing herein are situations in which adult men (mainly over 30 years old but no older than late mid-life) show an extra-Platonic or non-Platonic interest in an adolescent girl (12 to 17 years old) and the young girl notices him doing so, and it could very well be a girl who knows him and even has a crush on him.
Back in 2005, I remember once surfing around on the Internet and coming across a discussion thread about teenage girls and older men. This one high-school girl posted a comment that she did not understand what made adult men think that girls her age wanted to have sexual intercourse with men 20 or more years older than them. She insisted that they didn’t. My response to her statement was that if she was in high school, why did she feel that she needed to have sex with anyone of any age? I’ve also read comments on the Internet from adult women who insisted that they felt creeped out whenever a significantly older man had leered or even smiled at them back when they were adolescents.
After having read such comments, I find myself questioning why was it then that an 18-year-old Czech-born model agreed to marry 40-something-year-old rock star Ric Ocasek from the rock-and-roll band The Cars back in the 1980s, because Mr. Ocasek was not exactly a male beauty queen. Then again, I guess that I could not really use that marriage to defend my arguments regarding teenage girls being with older men inasmuch as Mr. Ocasek married a woman who was above the legal age of majority despite that she was not yet quite in her twenties.
Mexican artist Frida Kahlo first became infatuated with Mexican muralist Diego Rivera when she was only 15 years old, and Mr. Rivera was over 20 years her senior. Then again, other cultures tend to be more open-minded about adult/adolescent romance than ours does so.
Nevertheless, it appears that teenage girls who do everything to steer clear of any older suitors outside their peer circles do not necessarily constitute the majority of girls in their generation, because throughout my life I have known adolescent girls who were attracted to men older than them, even older than their fathers. One of the most extreme cases of that nature was a news report from the 1990s in which a female journalist revealed that the late Charles Manson had been receiving letters regularly from girls as young as 13 years old who offered to have his baby. Of course, I would never have encouraged any teenage girl to have anything to do with that maniac. Luckily, he did the world a favor in 2017 and he finally died.
A couple of years ago, I was watching the Fourth of July celebration from Washington, D.C. on television. I don’t think that John Stamos had begun hosting this same yearly television event yet on the Public Broadcasting System network, but don’t hold me to it. One of the musical entertainers on this same television show was Barry Manilow.
While Barry Manilow was singing, he walked out into the audience to allow people there to sing along with him. One of his admirers and fans was a blond-haired girl who looked to be 14 or 15 years old, possibly 16 years old; and when he walked over to her, she sang along with him and smiled at him as though she wanted to marry him.
In any event, even though Mr. Manilow was no spring chicken when this young girl showered him with her feminine charms, somehow his talented singing voice made him the one obvious exception to the rule in the event that this girl had been one of those adolescent girls who easily got angry whenever a man in his forties waved at her and smiled as he drove by her while she was on her way to school. For some reason or another, talented musicians always appear to look much younger to girls that age than average everyday men do.
In my Hive-Blog article titled “Can Children Sexually Victimize Adults?”, I described a situation in which an adolescent girl made sexual advances at a 57-year-old maintenance man at a juvenile detention facility. This same man had not even shown any interest in the young girl, and she pursued him.
In a nutshell, there may not be droves and droves of adolescent girls (12 to 17 years old) chasing after significantly older men here in the United States of America. There are probably even fewer adolescent girls (12 to 17 years old) seeking to hook up with older men in our nation than there are in other parts of the world because of the stigma that gets attached to adult/adolescent romantic relationships here in our nation. However, they are still large enough in numbers not to go unnoticed. Teenage girls becoming enamored and infatuated with older men is not something that is purely a Third-World thing. It is happening here in the land of milk and honey and in other English-speaking nations where adult/adolescent romantic relationships are also regularly and unjustly stigmatized.
B. Teenage Boys Pose An Even Bigger Threat To Teenage Girls Than Older Men Do
As Americans, we live in a nation and a culture where society tends to frown upon adult/adolescent romantic relationships despite that there have been successful ones. Furthermore, American society tends to blame each and every problem of every teenage girl on older men. Whenever a 13-year-old girl goes missing, the public at large has the propensity to believe that a creepy old man abducted her and did unspeakable things to her. Somehow underage boys are never suspected of these crimes. When it does come out in the news that an underage adolescent boy abducted and even raped a teenage female minor, the public at large becomes bewildered, because the press and the media in our nation have brainwashed them into believing that only older men commit these heinous kinds of crimes against pubescent and adolescent girls.
The other day I came across an article on the Internet titled “When a teenage girl reports being raped” by Simcha Fisher. I read the article from beginning to end and found that it was well written and very truthful regarding an incident in which a teenage girl had been raped. Moreover, it reported the facts as they were rather than injecting any kind of sensationalism into its contents.
Therein Ms. Fisher reported that the nameless underage girl had attempted to fight off her attacker. Her attacker had offered her a ride home from a party beforehand. Therefore, it is probable that she did not have a car and that she was not old enough to have a driver’s license. In that event, she would likely have not been any older than 15 years old when she was raped, and she possibly could have even been younger than that when this louse had forced himself on her.
The poor girl suffered from both physical and emotional damage as a result of the rape. For two months after the rape, she could not hold down her food without vomiting, and this problem took a toll on her overall health. Her emotional trauma caused her often to explore ways to commit suicide. It was the kind of story that made you want to see to it that her rapist was prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.
What stood out about this same article was that the rapist was not an older man but rather an underage boy in high school. To make a long story short, the police were not much help. They questioned the young boy who had committed the rape, but they never arrested him. The teenage rape victim and her parents continued to be inundated with medical debt because of the costs of the treatment the young girl needed for the emotional scars and trauma from which she continued to suffer. The young girl’s rapist was allowed to go on with his life as though nothing had happened, but her life was ruined. She had to change schools to avoid coming in contact with this monster ever again.
As I pointed out in my Hive-Blog articles titled “Underage Boys Usually Get Away With Rape” and “Could Deadbeat Teenage Fathers Be Worse Than Suspected Online Predators?”, the criminal justice system in our nation engages in this upside down practice of giving get-out-of-jail-free cards to underage boys whenever they are accused of rape. Before a teenage boy is legally old enough to vote in a presidential election here in our nation, he can usually get away with sexually victimizing pre-teenage and teenage girls and society will even go as far as normalizing his actions.
On the other hand, here in the land of milk and honey, if an adult man over 21 years of age even as so much shows any kind of admiration for a 13-, 14-, 15- or even 16-year-old girl and he does so with honorable intentions, every helicopter mom and self-righteous busybody goes setting off every pedophile-panic alarm in the universe and bringing a witch hunt against him. It doesn’t matter if the teenage girl knows him and that she may be in love with him. Self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts all feel that they have to do everything they can to segregate adult men from teenage girls in the romance marketplace. If an adult man over 21 years of age, especially in his thirties or older, does anything to express any non-Platonic interest in an adolescent girl (12 to 17 years old), society looks for a way to brand him as a sexual deviant every way it can.
Americans who believe that the Puritanical Establishment is always right about everything simply will not allow for anyone to challenge their ideologies, especially when it comes to teenage sexuality, because they don’t believe that anything decent exists outside their make-believe world of age-appropriate perfection. The fact of the matter is that teenage boys in high school and middle school have the most access to adolescent girls and the most opportunities to victimize them sexually. However, our narrow-minded society and culture continues to believe that adult men over 21 years of age who have an extra-Platonic or non-Platonic interest in adolescent girls only have one thing on their mind, whereas teenage boys who are legally too young to vote in a presidential election can do no wrong against any underage girl, even in cases of forcible rape.
Americans will watch a video on YouTube of a vigilante group catching a 22-year-old male virgin appearing to meet up with a 15-year-old girl in a shopping mall, and these same viewers will scorn the man and post in the video’s comments section about how they believe he should rot in prison or even become some musclebound convict’s prison wife. However, whenever a woman like Bristol Palin describes how a punk like Levi Johnston raped her back when she was 16 years old and he was her high-school beau as I had described in my Hive-Blog article titled “Idaho Wisely Rejects Underage Marriage Bill,” haters will express skepticism and even hostility toward her.
In the eyes of American society, it’s always the older man who is the predator and the danger to the adolescent girl who is still in middle school or high school. On the other hand, teenage boys in middle school and high school are somehow criminally infallible in cases of underage rape. All we have to do is turn on our television sets and watch today’s entertainment to know that this bias exists within our culture.
C. American Television Journalists Seek Inventive Ways To Demonize Adult Men Who May Gravitate Toward Teenage Girls
There is this one television show called What Would You Do?, and John Quiñones hosts it. On that television show, Mr. Quiñones hosted an episode in which a 16-year-old actress named Maria met up with a 42-year-old actor named Brian in a café after chatting with each other on the Internet. If the show had been specifically about the dangers of meeting up with strangers on the Internet, I would have given Mr. Quiñones a round of applause for his work on the show. However, simply by looking at the title of the show, which was “Child Predator Finds A Target,” it becomes clear to anyone with reasonable intelligence that he is running a pedophile-panic campaign to demonize any adult man who has ever had a non-Platonic interest in a teenage girl. A clip of this same show appears in the YouTube video below.
John Quiñones Turns His Show Into A Sensationalistic Exhibition
The staged enactment includes all of the same lame and cliché arguments that self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts latch on to whenever they are firing off their mouths and spreading their propaganda everywhere. It depicts that the older man is always the cause of every teenage girl’s problems and is to blame for all the dangers that exist out there in the cruel world for her.
After Brian meets Maria in the staged enactment, he argues that “age is just a number.” Come on! Nobody says that anymore. All of the self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts had a love fest in the comments section of that YouTube video, especially in response to that same comment, and they stated that “prison is just a place” and that “inmates are just friends with benefits” and so forth and so forth. Hmmm. The self-righteous know-it-alls must be so glued to their computer and the Internet that they don’t realize that there is currently a pandemic going on throughout our nation and the world and that human-rights activists are pressuring elected officials left and right to shut down all the penal facilities across our nation as described in my Hive-Blog article titled “Abusive Law-Enforcement Officials Face Prospective Backlash For Frivolous And Malicious Statutory-Rape Cases Against Americans.” Therefore, prison or jail might not even be a place where anyone will be going in the near future.
The staged enactment in What Would You Do? showed helicopter moms in the café getting all worked up and ready to storm in on Brian; and I’m not blaming these women for acting the way they did, because, after all, this actor did present himself as being a complete stranger to Maria that she met online. However, the show continued to deteriorate in its quality as it moved on to a scene in which teenage girls were sitting near yet another staged enactment as it unfolded.
What particularly caught my attention was this one 15-year-old girl named Marnie (spelled phonetically) who made it no secret that people in her generation and even other generations have been brainwashed into believing that older men who showed any kind of non-Platonic interest in girls her age were all evil and predatory and that teenage boys were incapable of any criminal wrongdoing. Marnie argued with Brian that lying about one’s age was illegal. Really?! Wow!!!! If she is right about it, then I guess a great number of entertainers will be getting arrested not before long inasmuch as many of them lie about their age.
Marnie told Maria that Brian was a pedophile at one point in the enactment. Marnie? Maria is 16 years old. She is not SIX YEARS OLD. You obviously don’t know what a pedophile really is, because the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (“DSM-5”) specifies that it is someone 16 years of age or older who is sexually attracted to a prepubescent child more than five years their junior and no older than 13 years old (under 11 years old under certain circumstances). Therefore, Marnie, you are inadvertently engaging in what is legally referred to as defamation of character; and I’m not shaming you for doing so, because there is so much misinformation out there regarding what pedophilia really is. In any event, Brian doesn’t even come close to being a pedophile, because Maria is beyond her prepubescent years and she is well beyond the playground phase of her life.
Marnie? Elon Musk got himself into trouble by taking writer’s license with the definition of pedophilia as you just did. Lucky you, you were still a minor and you probably didn’t have that much money in your bank account back when this television show first aired. Therefore, you will not likely get sued for slandering someone in the way you did depending on what the statute of limitations is for slander in your state jurisdiction. Just be careful how you use the terms “pedophile” and “pedophilia,” because they have specific definitions that only the American Psychiatric Association can alter.
If John Quiñones really wanted to do an episode of his show about pedophilia and child predators, he would have staged an enactment of a young man 16 years of age or older approaching a toddler in that café. I’m appalled that he has attempted to redefine what child predation is. At the same time, I completely get it. Unlike nations in Europe, we don’t live in a country where adult/adolescent romantic relationships can be exhibited out in the open because of all the busybodies there are out there. However, Mr. Quiñones’s ancestors are from a nation (Mexico) where it is commonplace for men in their thirties and forties to flirt with 16-year-old girls and even marry them.
What really bewilders me is that teenage boys never get accused of being pedophiles or child molesters after they have raped a teenage girl or even a pre-teenage girl. Of course, they are not pedophiles according to the DSM-5, but society never seems to view them as having any sort of paraphilia despite that these punks take no reluctance in ruining the lives of underage girls.
What stood out so blatantly about this one episode of What Would You Do? was that if a 16-year-old girl had been meeting up with a 16- or 17-year-old boy that she had met on the Internet and that boy had intentions of forcibly raping her after he got her to go with him to a secluded place, nobody in that café would have even suspected such a punk of having dishonorable intentions for the young girl. Marnie would not have accused him of being a pedophile. Even after the young girl had gotten raped, there would have actually been individuals among these people who would have made excuses for the teenage boy’s actions. It only goes to show you that busybodies in our culture don’t always have a teenage girl’s best interest at heart and are not really concerned about her safety. Self-proclaimed child advocates, self-appointed pedo-experts and even femi-Nazi extremists have reduced our nation to this same backwards way of thinking.
At the end of the day, this television show was nothing more than merely a sensationalistic piece of tripe. It was more like an unjust remake of a music video that the late Benny Mardones had put together so many years ago for his song “Into The Night,” and it was more like such a remake done with the specific purpose of demonizing every adult man over 21 years of age in the world who has ever had any kind of admiration for a teenage girl. Below is a YouTube video of the late Benny Mardones’s hit.
The Music Video For “Into The Night” By The Late Benny Mardones
You disappointed me, Mr. Quiñones, and your television show deserves to be taken off the air. After the Amanda-Todd tragedy, I can understand why journalists want to create an awareness among people in Canada and in our nation over the dangers of the Internet. However, Mr. Quiñones, what you did was run a hate campaign against each and every man who has ever been involved in an adult/adolescent romantic relationship since the beginning of time. What infuriates me is that this is not the only occasion that you have done something of this nature on your television program What Would You Do?.
One of the YouTubers in the comments section of that video even had the audacity to post about Brian getting locked up with “Bubba” and getting anally raped as most “pedophiles” would. I don’t mean to rain on this jerk YouTuber’s parade, but someone like Bubba would be more likely to rape a young man who was closer to Maria’s age. Therefore, Mr. Know-It-All, even though you may believe that Bubba is some kind of superhero with an avenging agenda, he is a “chomo” by your deluded standards. So much for the wisdom of self-appointed pedo-experts.
It is so interesting how these self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts always seem to take such an infatuation with prison rapists, even though these same prison rapists would turn on these same self-proclaimed child advocates and self-appointed pedo-experts and sexually victimize them in a heartbeat if the opportunity ever presented itself to them. Putting it in figurative language, it only goes to show you how these people are so dead between the ears.
When I was living in New York City so many years ago, I remember once riding the subway and overhearing a conversation between a 30-something-year-old man and a 15-year-old girl. It was apparent to me that this man was not this girl’s relative and that she probably did not know him very well. The man kept his conversation with her clean. At the same time, I could sense that he had more interest in her than only as a friend. The girl had mentioned to him that she had just started her sophomore year of high school.
Being the giggly, young man that I was back then, I couldn’t help but to chuckle once this conversation between this man and this young girl became romantic. What made me laugh wasn’t really the fact that this man wanted something more with this girl than only a friendship but that he was trying to win her heart over out in the open where everyone could hear him despite that the age difference between him and the young girl was more than obvious.
The man heard me chuckling. He looked at the teenage girl and he said that he thought that I was the one acting crazy as he pointed at me. His comment made me laugh even louder, because he was the one who was taking a chance at getting some aggressive helicopter mom furious at him there on the subway train. Then again, people seemed to mind their own business in the Big Apple back in those days, even when an adult man in his thirties or forties asked a high-school girl out on a date in broad daylight in front of a crowd.
Nowadays if a scuzzy-looking 16- or 17-year-old boy is seen in public talking filth at a 15-, 14- or 13-year-old girl, Americans will usually pay no mind to it inasmuch as they will chalk it off as normal adolescent behavior, even if he is screaming at her to get an abortion. On the other hand, if a man in his thirties or even his twenties even as so much makes a compliment to a middle-school or high-school girl about her clothing or her hair, every American who falls on the lower end of the totem pole of Darwinist evolution will believe that he is either the next Phillip Garrido or the next Ariel Castro. How has our nation sunk into such a Puritanical black hole of stupidity?
D. Women Argue That Older Men’s Looks Normally Turn Off Teenage Girls
Having read numerous posts in online discussion threads regarding this topic, many women appear to insist that teenage girls find it “gross” and “predatory” whenever older men, particularly middle-aged men, flirt with them. In any event, back in the 1990s, it was common for talk show hosts to have programs about teenage girls dating outside their peer circles. Even though I was not at all impressed with The Jenny Jones Show after it triggered the murder of the late Scott Amedure in 1995, there were a number of episodes of that show I still found interesting in that Jenny Jones would invite girls between 13 and 17 years old who had significant others and even husbands as old as their forties.
I specifically recall this one episode of The Jenny Jones Show in which Ms. Jones invited a 15-year-old girl who was engaged to marry a 41-year-old man. The young girl’s mother was also on the guest panel. The adult/adolescent couple had started dating when the girl was 13 years old and the man was 38 years old. If my memory serves me correctly, the couple also had a child together. The couple received the usual screaming and outspoken disapproval from the audience over their age difference and over the fact that the girl was still a minor.
An African-American gentleman in the audience asked the couple and the young girl’s mother if they were hillbillies, and the audience broke into laughter. Ms. Jones scolded the man and told him not to stereotype people. She responded to him that the couple and the young girl’s mother were from the East Coast, and she told him to leave it at that.
There was nothing creepy or peculiar about the 41-year-old man. He did not look like a rock star or a teen idol either. He just looked like your average everyday middle-aged man. Nonetheless, the 15-year-old girl was very much in love with him and wanted to marry him. Of course, her mother was not thrilled about the relationship inasmuch as she wanted her daughter to be with a boy her own age, but she realized that her daughter was really in love with this man and that he had honorable intentions for her. This same relationship would appear to disprove what many women, particularly middle-aged women, believe about how teenage girls feel about older men.
Now, perhaps female high-school freshmen and sophomores don’t keep posters of Senator Mitch McConnell, Dick Van Dyke or the Koch brothers inside their lockers. However, I can still be sure that Courtney Stodden had at least a substantial number of photographs of Doug Hutchison on her cell phone and on her desktop computer before she married him at the age of sixteen. Also, I wouldn’t doubt that Bo Derek had a collection of pictures of John Derek from the time she first got involved with him when she was 16 years old. Mr. Hutchison and Mr. Derek were both middle-aged at the outset of their relationship with their respective teenage sweethearts.
It may be that many teenage girls simply do not admit to their attraction to older men so that they can present a wholesome image of themselves by some self-defined standard. However, I can shamelessly say that the epidemic of deadbeat teenage fathers in our nation doesn’t serve as an incentive for teenage girls to stay within their own peer groups in their search for romance.
Many adult women who participate in online discussion threads regarding the topic of teenage girls and older men will insist that teenage girls who go chasing after men over 30 years old are rare species here in the land of milk and honey. What is so interesting is that I have come across comments from adult women on these discussion threads in which they have claimed that teenage girls who don’t normally date outside their peer circles will make an exception for older men who have aged like wine. For example, George Clooney, Patrick Stewart, Harrison Ford, Richard Gere, Roger Waters, Brad Pitt, Tom Cruise, John Stamos, David Duchovny and even Rick Springfield.
What these women state in that respect is not completely untrue. In fact, I did see one episode of The Jenny Jones Show in which Jenny Jones had invited an entire guest panel consisting of adult/adolescent romantic couples. There was one couple in which the girl was 17 years old and her boyfriend was 35 years old. Like the other men on the guest panel, the 35-year-old boyfriend looked unusually young for his age and could even have passed off for a 19-year-old college student. Their young looks did not necessarily cause people in the audience to approve of their relationships any more than they would have if these men had looked their age, but it did shed some light on what kind of older men usually end up in relationships with adolescent girls between 12 and 17 years of age.
Nevertheless, it still doesn’t explain why so many underage adolescent girls ended up within the orbit of the late Charles Manson insofar as they joined the Manson family. A teenage girl who took an interest in this maniac during his last years behind bars eventually fell in love with him and sought to marry him when she was 26 years old. Her name was Afton Elaine Burton. By then, he was in his eighties. I’m not saying that this woman should ever have gotten involved with him in the first place, but it fuels my curiosity to this very day on why she first became so enamored with him during her teenage years back when he was in his seventies. She was not a homely girl; and in videos I’ve seen her in, she did appear to have a reasonable amount of intelligence.
E. Teenage Couples Are Everywhere Insofar As They Cause Nostalgia For Romantically Inexperienced Adult Men
In reading various online discussion threads on this subject matter, one common argument I find that people make on them regarding adult men, particularly middle-aged incels, wanting the affections of a teenage girl who is not yet legally old enough to vote in presidential elections here in the United States of America is that these men should stop fretting and stewing over the adolescent romances that they missed out on during their teenage years. These same commenters argue that teenage romance isn’t all what it appears to be and that high-school life is so overrated. These commenters complain that the movie entertainment industry deceivingly pushes the illusion in many people’s heads that teenage sex is like an ongoing beautiful dream come true and that people who miss out on it along with the romance that goes along with it are missing out on an experience that will make a significantly positive difference in their lives in years to come. They claim that movies centering around high-school life often sugarcoat teenage romance and make it out to be something that it is not.
However, it is not only the movie entertainment industry that sells this illusion to both the public in general and mainly individuals who never got to experience it insofar as they become nostalgic about it, but it is also magazines that do so. You’ll always come across a story or two in a popular magazine about first loves during adolescence that led to long, happy marriages and families. On television, you will periodically see an advertisement showing a gray-haired man taking his high-school sweetheart to their 65-year high-school reunion and reminiscing on how they both first met as teenagers.
Same-age or similar-age married couples who were high-school sweethearts or even puppy-love sweethearts regularly brag on social media about their early-life achievements in the areas of relationships, marriage and parenting. The way that our society promotes these same kinds of ego trips that these people lay on everyone adds heat to the fire. Often the public at large will even exemplify these couples in preaching about societal norms, which romantically inexperienced adult men don’t want to hear about.
A good example to this effect is this one post I came across in the comments section of a YouTube video. The YouTube video was of a romantic song from the 1970s. I’m going to refer to the YouTuber who posted the comment as Ryan Lamb. In his comment, he bragged that he was 13 years old the first time he ever laid eyes on his current wife. He further stated that she became interested in him when he was 15 years old, and then “it was love.” Ryan claimed that he was currently a 52-year-old great-grandfather. He boasted, “You do the math.” Then he gave a rundown of how many children, grandchildren and great-grandchildren he had and that he and his wife were still in love.
Ryan presented himself as someone who simply wanted to brag about himself and participate in a fashion show. He’s kind of like one of those former classmates who make others less fortunate than him not want to attend any of their high-school reunions so that they don’t have to hear him boast and posture about himself to others and shove pictures of his offspring and his offspring’s offspring in their faces. He reminds me of this one woman named Annette whom I described in Part 1 of my Hive-Blog article titled “Zhang Muyi Never Belonged In The Pedophile Closet.”
YouTubers praised Ryan on and idolized him as though he were some kind of genie, and they did so in the form of replies to his post. I found the idea of him being a great-grandfather at 52 years old somewhat suspicious, but I guess that it could be possible in the event of at least one underage pregnancy down the line. Adult men who have never gotten to have that first-love experience when they were adolescents could find that these posts have an alienating effect on them. Ryan Lamb’s comment reminded me of the goofy lyrics of this one song that appears in the YouTube video below.
The Song Titled “Rocky” By Austin Roberts
It also doesn’t help that our society discriminates and sometimes even marginalizes men who have not gotten married and started a family by a certain point in their life. Men who have married young and fathered kids immediately afterwards usually get better treatment from employers than romantically deprived men of the same age as them who have never been married and do not put their personal lives on public exhibition to flaunt off to the whole world. There have even been discussions on the Internet from employers about identifying men who are incels and perma-virgins and refusing to hire them.
Because incels and perma-virgins have usually been marginalized in the job market, many of them may not be making the kind of income that romantically luckier men do so. Therefore, they won’t have the financial power to impress a woman their own age, and it could explain why they may gravitate toward younger females, including teenage girls, in the romance marketplace, so to speak. Moreover, the nostalgia they suffer from of never having experienced that one first love during their teenage years could also be a contributing factor to why they gravitate toward adolescent girls.
YouTubers Chase Matthew Grzegorczyk and Asha Zapf have been together for the past 3 years from the time they were barely teenagers, and they have been posting videos about their teenage romance on the YouTube channels of “Our Family Nest” and Asha’s personal YouTube channel since then. Below is a YouTube video of Chase and Asha talking about their relationship.
YouTubers Chase Matthew Grzegorczyk And Asha Zapf Have Publicized Their Teenage Romance On Social Media For Three Years
Adult men who have missed out on that first-love experience during their teenage years see Chase on the Internet and they feel that they should have the opportunity to experience the same adolescent romance that he has experienced with Asha from the time he was barely a teenager. Therefore, how can anyone blame any of these men, especially ones that are incels, for feeling hopeful about recovering that one teenage first love they missed out on during their adolescent years whenever they hear or read about men their age finding love in adult/adolescent relationships? It is not as though they can jump into a time machine and travel back to their adolescent years to change past events in their life, but being in a relationship with an adolescent girl can fill that void in their life that ensued from never having experienced the whole teenage dating scene back when they were in middle school and high school.
Some people in discussion threads on this subject matter will argue that once your teenage years are gone, whether you be 25 years old or 45 years old, that boat has sailed on and you no longer have the right to hop onto that same boat after it has gone out to sea. My response to this school of thought is that it is all a product of an oppressive caste system that rewards all the prom kings of our culture and marginalizes anyone from a societal standpoint who, in figurative words, has missed out on the first-love experience as a teenager.
The statutory-age-of-consent laws in our nation are not really there to protect adolescent girls (12 to 17 years old) from the clutches of lascivious older men, because it is mainly teenage boys who sexually victimize these young girls. An online blogger even condemned the current statutory-age-of-consent laws in our nation as a form of misandry.
Also, as I stated previously herein, our criminal justice system appears to give teenage male juveniles every break in the world whenever they are caught raping an underage girl. For example, a judge in New Jersey actually wanted to go easy on a 16-year-old boy for raping a 16-year-old girl and putting the rape on camera, because the boy was from a “good family.” The trial court system in New Jersey coddled yet another 16-year-old boy who had been accused of raping his 12-year-old girlfriend, and the appellate court had to oversee the situation in an effort to ensure that justice was served.
Nevertheless, adult men are becoming surrounded by all of this mushy teenage love here in our nation, and the adult men who missed out on it during their adolescent years, especially incels and perma-virgins, cannot help but to want to fill the void that not having experienced it left deep inside of them. It has nothing to do with pedophilia or child molestation. Also, the United States of America may not be the ideal place for these men to make this dream of theirs come true as compared with other nations where people may be more open-minded about adult/adolescent romantic relationships, but they are not going to pass up an opportunity to get back that lost piece of their life if the opportunity ever presents itself to them. At the end of the day, many adult men are sick and tired of society, especially women their age, expecting them to be Tony Danza clones.
F. My Conclusion To This Topic
While some Americans will argue that teenage girls (12 to 17 years old) have no interest in forming any romantic relationships with older men and that girls that age find older men to be repulsive, adult/adolescent romantic relationships continue to thrive in hidden parts of our culture. The television entertainment industry and the media can demonize adult men who have developed non-Platonic feelings for adolescent girls as much as they want, but it does not do justice for our society to generalize about adult/adolescent romantic relationships.
Because our nation has an epidemic of deadbeat teenage fathers and our criminal justice system goes easy on underage boys who rape pubescent and adolescent girls, it is not fair for society to accuse older men of being the cause of all teenage girls’ problems and always to point the finger at older men as the ones who mainly prey upon underage adolescent girls sexually. There have been plenty of adult/adolescent relationships that have led to happily-ever-after results to demonstrate that adolescent girls may even be better off with adult men under certain circumstances than with teenage boys who are going to abuse them and even do a Levi Johnston on them.
I am not bashing all same-age relationships that start out as a first love between two adolescents or two pre-teenagers, but I am stressing the fact that adult/adolescent romantic relationships have been successful and should be more accepted by our society than they are. I am not mindless of the fact that our nation may not readily embrace adult/adolescent romantic relationships as other nations do, but our society should not condemn them either. Finally, at the end of the day, even though adolescent girls will usually pair off with men in their twenties if they decide to date outside their peer circles, girls that age do not necessarily find older men beyond 30 years of age to be repulsive; and, therefore, it is possible that a girl this age may even fall in love with an older man and someday marry him.
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