I think we are somewhat saying the same thing. MGTOW should hunker down, not men, not society, not women, MGTOW. MGTOW need to stand their ground and be MGTOW, not get married and not be disposable.

Why you should care about society is because you made it. It is being co-opted by a society that is gynocentric, women, manginas, white knights, simps and emasculated men. I agree with you about society being a living hell.

What is the difference about not doing anything about it now and letting it fail, then starting a new one and then what? Letting the same thing happen again and being in the same position as now? I believe that we are also accountable for this mess. We (our forefathers) allowed this crap to happen.

I agree with you that unfortunately the problem can only be fixed by women. I do not think that is going to happen. Maybe if society totally collapses they will learn?