This is a very worthwhile conversation.
I've been quite critical of Peterson but he's quite compelling in the first hour when he's not being a dick! Dillahunty is more persuasive on the question of society( Secular Humanism is the way to structure a society). And no the USSR wasn't secular humanist!
What can never be talked about: the possibility that God is evil if it exists. All evidence points to the conclusion that it is (if God exists). 2)The corrupt financial casino modeled on mafia ethics which is an extension of Social Darwinism or Economic Darwinism. I've argued that this model is prerational and limbic system driven and also mythological in its own way--The Invisible Hand of The Market--Casper Economics. It's also the model for Steemit...Lowly evolved?
So, I'm going to offer up my uneducated opinions over the weekend on this video. Let's start with ENTHEOGENS as that's pretty well where they start. I'll first say that that is what turned me into a theist. Do these substances turn everyone into a theist? NO! And although I'm a theist and don't smoke now there was a time when nothing was better than a cigarette while on these drugs! This is William James territory along with phenomenology studied in The Varieties Of Religious experience. Dillahunty is right when he says these experiences prove nothing about the supernatural but at the same time, humanity doesn't have the instrumentation or knowledge to study anything that is really happening here anyway so it's a bit of a stalemate as far as ontology and metaphysics. The main issue here though is more about HOW SHOULD WE LIVE and who has societal power? I don't see that society should be governed by psychedelic experience; nor should religion with its myriad and sundry Casper tales be the template for running a civilization and no matter how much Dillahunty denies what I'm going to say next it wouldn't change the truth of the matter: society is run by Casper believers and specifically a CABAL of Jews, Jesuits, Freemasons, and certain Islamic powers--this is who runs things and their economic model is also premised on various Casper aspersions! The economic system is also lowly evolved. Anyway, last but not least: J.P. sounds more like an INTEGRALIST here than any normative view from Christendom on the issue of entheogens--something conventional religion is quite retarded about!
They next move into the question of the supernatural. Peterson is concerned about the narrowness of definition. This issue boils down to whether there is a 'ghost in the machine'. But again, since there is no way to prove for or against on this issue, IMO, it comes down to how shall we live and who has societal power? And again, Casper shouldn't be the model for running a society! Dillahunty is correct though when he says we don't know and this is the only honest answer to the ghost question. Having said that, I don't side with Wittgenstein on this issue but rather believe society must learn to talk about this issue strictly as metaphysical speculation and ALL dogmatic claims about Casper must be dismissed as far as power mechanisms over civilization. Now people can believe anything they want about Casper on a personal level but those personal beliefs should never be allowed to precede intelligent rational and logical civil law ( not that we have that today but we should). This issue is intricately linked to the issue of religion and various theories on it from Marxist opiate of the people to Freud's projection theory to The Bicameral Mind theory and group Darwinian theory which is probably the most accurate. And yes, people should be allowed to have group religious practice but that practice should not be given political power although the real catch here is that it puts the onus on SECULARISM TO BE NON-CORRUPT AND OF THE HIGHEST INTEGRITY and capitalism has pretty well corrupted that possibility and therein lays the failure of any healthy secular order. We live under a corrupt oligarch plutocracy.
They move next to the idea of consciousness, will, free will and morality. I hold to the belief that consciousness precedes matter (the primacy of consciousness) but I hold this lightly as metaphysical speculation and I am also an incompatibilist on the issue of free will although of course, we do have will and intention. Watch the T.V. show WestWorld and ask yourself if the creations of The Demiurge have free will? Do they have free moral agency?
At 36:02 Is there any good reasons to believe that there is a God? Well, here we are, eh? This is the most important part of this video and neither one of these guys will address the most profound and obvious evidence which exists and can answer the question: THE J.Q.! If you're not allowed to talk about it and dismiss it as evidence then really, WTF is that? There is something extraordinarily strange going on with the Jews over 4000 years and no other people exist that have this stigma attached to them. Was it the Inuit involved in the controversy of 911? I could list thousands of examples which put this group of people at the center of controversy millennia after millennia from things like viewing the porn industry as just the pursuit of The American Dream; things like was it the Swedes who created The Federal Reserve? No! We know who did that...We also know now that the Torah is not historically or archaeologically accurate let alone accounting for the absurdity of the cosmological narrative; and yet, this book runs The White House and The Western world. My lifetime of research suggests that some version of Gnosticism accounts for this and that a consistent coherent explanation which aligns with most of the facts is that the Bible describes A DEMIURGE and this earth is run by its ARCHONS! This is evidence and if these guys want to dismiss it because they're vetting by these PTB then that's their dishonesty and duplicity and not the problem of honest sincere seekers of universal truth!
I don't know that I have much more to say on this video other than I side with the atheists and secular humanism as a means of structuring society but I concede I do have a bias: I don't want to be persecuted for my spiritual beliefs by religious dogmatists who are the most dangerous people on the planet!
Here is a video of Dillahunty assessing the conversation.
