Maybe my analogy was a distraction.

I was addressing your claim that nobody suffers from implementing a universal basic income. If everybody volunteers to pay into the system, that is fine, but every UBI plan that I know of is based on a tax.

• Taxes are involuntary.
• To see if somebody is harmed by a tax, you could ask them.
• If they volunteer to put money into the system to pay the UBI of 20 people, then GREAT!
• If the person does not volunteer, then you would be harming the person by forcibly taking the money in the form of a tax.

I know that you don't see taking money from "rich people" as harm... my point was to see if you believe in a couple ideas:

1. Ethical people avoid initiating harm against peaceful people.
2. The person who gets to define the harm is the intended victim (in this case, the 1% who are going to be forced to pay for the income of the other 99%... or some variation of that math).

Do you agree with my two, numbered statements above? Y/N?

thx