I'm starting a lot of the comment replies with a bit of copy pasta now as apology; I was initially attempting to reply to every comment from oldest to newest, but I've given up on that now to try to make sure that all negative or mixed comments are directly responded to first since they're the only feedback mechanism someone who isn't making a supporting vote has.

I'll start with a bit of black humour; I highly suspect that an AI model would cut down most of what I write conversationally, as I tend to provide a lot of additional (arguably useful) context and over explain things that I perceive to be important, which may or may not align with others. So, rest easier, no AI necessary and one of my favourite use cases for Hive is pointing out I've got datestamped transaction hashes going back to 2017 showing that I actually have always used emdashes on purpose.

I fully understand the sentiment and am glad you are happy enough to come here and be like, "GTFO YOU CRAZY LADY," genuinely. The DHF in general tends to create situations where for many years, people have just gone along to get along, and there's been a lot of intimidation and attacks that go along with voting for or against the wrong thing.

To try to touch on your points: every single bill, receipt, invoice, etc is actually fully logged and submitted before ever being paid back, and GP and some others have a dashboard and hoard of all those. I don't know what accessibility looks like on that, however, which is why the memos are pretty detailed in all cases. But that being said, concrete impact in numbers and deliverables is fairly easily seen even through just our exchange/swap section on Hive.io. We have never paid a listing fee, and the bulk of those listings from our inception until now have cost $10k- half a bitcoin (Binance 🙄). We also have to basically do ongoing work since we don't have a fund to market make, don't participate in on-service MM with any of them, and don't pay for any add on discoverability services, that we really have to wear them down and then relationship manage with them. There's no easy button of just going around and offering money for them to just let us in. If we counted even half of the listings that we've acquired since Justine and I started with Binance, HTX, and the other two large ones, and price them even at $5k a piece, that's more than $100k in savings. This is vastly underestimated, but I think that makes more sense in this case because the prices being charged in 2020-2022 were fucking absurd.

I hear you on the perception of it just being some way to recoup money put in, and sad to say, there were 1000 better ways to do that that many, many people took and we're still here arguing about who will be the next to fall victim to the temptation. I did also put in 1.5 bitcoin, but to be fair it was on the legacy chain so it doesn't really count, and I moved to looking for more concrete ways to "buy in" so to speak. Now here we are!

Previous DHF proposals and behaviour have basically often been dump and run, and I can spend months talking to as many people possible and making posts for public opinion and whether the wording was back pay or forward pay, I think we would end up here no matter what. The concern more than anything is that each new proposal just goes straight to fiat with a hat tip and a door slam, and there will never, ever be a way to get around that perception in these bad markets until someone basically just... does it. We've also got a habit of coming for people who do things like power up the DHF funds we receive as a sign they're getting too much. The culture of funding is still really undefined, overstretched, and under a lot of added pressure from the current wider cryptospace. So, the goal is to take the feedback from comments and support votes here, take on a large group of long outstanding tasks for things that have been everyone's problem and no one's job, and stretch it for two or so years or until beatings/morale improves.