so basically you cherry picked my post, didn't watch any of the videos
No, I took the main 4 points of your arguments and displayed them in summary. This is not cherry picking. nothing I've said above is misleading anybody about what you said.
but then I started doing some research... during the time of the eclipse, and found the path to be a strange S curve across the earth
As states, your eclipse path is wrong, sorry...You're free to actually show real research showing the methodology and reproducibility of their experiments like real science. If so then that would be very interesting! I Encourage you to do this.
vacuum of space would pull you apart, you would explode.
What you're seeing in that balloon video is the molecules inside the balloon are pushing out in an attempt to fill the void as is natural in physics until the baloon's elasticity gives in. Again, this is the force of the air, not the vacuum, which consists of nothing or very little.
This is exactly the same as under water but in reverse; If our bodies were made entirely of dense water and we were thrown into an ocean of air, we would, like the balloon, be ripped apart because all that dense collection of water molecules will try to spread into the air to equalize the pressure. Understand now? The Baloon is no different to the physics explained. It's just that the outside is less dense than the inside, whereas underwater, the outside is more dense than the inside.
we are spinning at 1000mph ... so the centrifugal force would be incredible...pretty sure the atmosphere would just be flung off
This is the problem right here. 'Pretty sure'. What evidence do you have, have you done the calculations according to the strength of gravity on earth? This is actually something we do in school, and in order to throw humans off the earth, it would need to be spinning at 17,670mph - 17 times faster than what you already acknowledge we're doing, or one full rotation every 90-ish minutes. You should figure out the calculations for how fast it would need to spin for the atmosphere to fling off and come back with the numbers - this will demonstrate that you actually followed a true scientific method.
Unless numbers were created deliberately to manipulate us, you can do this yourself with some basic calculating tools online I'm sure. But the fact is, the earth is very, very big with lots of gravity. The vacuum as we established is providing no force and the air at the top of the atmosphere is far too weak to be pushing out against the strength of gravity, which is enough to keep an entire moon in orbit.
at what point, when riding a merry-go-round...
Actually, if you go on a merry-go-round you'll find that the centrifugal force is pushing sideways outwards and this is quite a significant, localised force on your body. The Earth however, is very big, and thought there is actually centrifugal force acting on us, it's only 1/289th the strength of gravity - 0.35%. This is so imperceptible that by the time you get to the north pole, where there is going to be no centrifugal force, you don't notice any difference in weight or whatever - even though you will be some millionths of a fraction heavier. Again, I'm sure you can sit down and figure these numbers out yourself (If you really wanted you can even figure out the speed of the earth's spin on your own with some simple tools you can find on the ground).
this force is suppose to be keeping the atmosphere here against the power of a vacuum... while spinning, rotating, flying around the sun, flying around the milky way... all this, and we are expected to believe we are still able to hold on to our atmosphere.
Once again - no power of vacuum. Vacuum is by its very definition, empty. The only force is the spinning, which is insignificant. 'flying around the sun' doesn't change anything that just gives us a central 'barycenter' to spin around and has no bearing on the atmosphere - although the sun does work hard to strip the atmosphere with cosmic rays (for another day).
Flying around the milky way also does nothing for the same reason; the vacuum is empty. We could be going 100 billion km/h and nothing would change because there's nothing acting upon us like on earth. Here if we go fast, our faces smash into a wall of air which is why we'd stop or be crushed at sufficient speeds. This wouldn't happen in space - in nothingness. There's no force out there other than extremely weak gravity from stars and other things so incredibly far away that we don't feel it compared to earth's very close-by gravity.
read wag the moon doogie to see how the Apollo
Will do, will reply in a separate comment though, I'd dlike to separate political conspiracy from physics conspiracy.
gravity, as we understand it, cannot be tested. we can test the phenomenon of objects falling to the ground, but we cannot test the actual forces involved because if they exist, they are too small to be tested.
I already wrote an exact response to this, hopefully you actually read my post...
supposing since you aren't railing against the status quo, you've never bumped into the walls that exist on research. there are things you just can't ask, and if you do, you risk your job.
Actually I've written extensively right here on steemit about the problems with the corruption and culture in academics. This is an inherent human flaw that nobody is denying but many are fighting against. But that takes nothing away from science, which is a self-correcting mechanism designed to be immune to human bias and interest.
This is what 'peer review' and 'replication' is for. If 100 scientists claim that the sunflower flies in the sky at night and shows their evidence, that's quite astonishing. But if 100,000 scientists attempt the same methods written in the 100 scientists' papers, and ddon't get the same results, we have a problem. The chances are far more likely that those 100 scientists are the corrupt ones.
Likewise, science is not limited to paid researchers. You and I can do most fundamental projects that we do in school, and if wee have money like a sceptical society, we can attempt to replicate the experiments ourselves too. Science cannot be hidden, but certain organisations can hide some results of things to fit their agenda, absolutely.
Science ensures that these people will, inevitably, be caught. But when it comes to the earth - hundreds of years and generations of people, people who were first prosecuted for going against the earth-centric model, were forced to be right, because all the piling evidence suggested it, even those people historically who refused to believe it eventually did. Even ancient civilisations worked it out in their own primitive ways. Yet there is still not a single flat-earth research paper out there. And if there is, I can guarantee it was never peer-reviewed or replicated by anybody else other than people who believe in flat earth, and I can also guarantee the methodology (which should always be included in the paper) can never be replicated with the same results. I honestly want you to try and find me such a paper.
do you agree there is reason to protect this income, and think of the backlash... there is incredible power behind keeping this going... it is a money maker.. and they are literally willing to kill to maintain it.
Again, no evidence and no numbers. Willing to kill who? evidence of that? Maybe it's in the link above I'm gonna get back to. But actually, NASA is a money maker but I can't see how pretending the earth is round makes that money. On the contrary, the fact that we understand the globe shape of earth is the money maker because for every $1 spent on NASA, $14-17 comes back to the US treasury. This is because NASA is not just about space. If you look at NASAs expenditures, it is incredibly diverse:
And if you think its worth killing for, think again; the NASA budget is pathetically small compared to pretty much anything else in the US economy:
I mean, can you even see Nasa's budget share here? I'm sure if the US government was as corrupt as you think, they'd have far better things to be spending their time and effort on.
there is no such thing as 'nighttime' .. it says as much at 3:00 minute mark. here...
Yes this is what I wrote in the post. I said they don't experience it. We both agree here, but that goes against your argument. Massimino was presumably just talking about working hours or when there is more light than other times of the rotation around earth. Nothing controversial. This was directly addressing the videos, and since I'm not a flat earther, I prefer to use words than make people watch videos carefully cut to make you believe something untrue (As I totally demonstrated in the video)
Can you not see the problem with providing videos? Yes you might be showing something unusual and questionable, but you don't actually go and actively find answers. This is what I keep telling you. You look at something and immediately say 'well that's it then, it's fake'.
The bendy door, for example, isn't the actual hatch, it's a thermal cover, from my understanding, which prevents the main door getting crazy hot from the sun given they have no atmosphere protecting them. But even if this wasn't the case, why would we call it fake? Why not go and write an email to NASA or a scientist who might know about this stuff, or find a paper on the designs or whatever and actually seek the answers? This is the part that's entirely lacking in your thought process. You find videos specifically titled 'the fake nasa lie' or whatever, and surround yourself with people who are trying from the bottom of their hearts to believe a specific thing they feel good about.
Science isn't like that. The people often are, but science is a weapon against it and even people who don't want to believe it, have to in the end when they realise all the facts are too overwhelming. Corrupt scientists that fake footage get caught out when they go under scrutiny by the community and so on. You tell us to question everything yet you don't actually question anything you are pushing to us; but we are. We DO question everything. That's the nature of what we do.
if it was only one thing, I'm sure I could over look it. but it isn't. everywhere I look I find more questions that don't seem to be answered like I had thought they where.
This is unusual because I find the answers to everything with a quick google search, so I'm not sure what your problem is. Just google things like 'why does the atmosphere stay on earth', then read the results. It's really easy. If you don't understand it, write 'for kids' at the end.
bridges are constructed completely level over distances of 100 miles as well.
No, they just bend around imperceptibly because of how far 100 miles actually is. We can show you images of things bending around the horizon but you simply say it's a fish eye lens or a fake image, so what can we possibly do?
In what situation can you possibly be in that will allow you to see enough bridge so that it goes around the earth? You can even barely see the end of this bridge and it's probably a couple of miles in total:
The Earth. Is. Huge. And nobody claimed that their bridges were completely straight on the level, in fact most bridges go up down, left right as they go. I can't think of a single bridge that goes in a straight, level line for 100 miles. Same applies for the Suez Canal. Just because you can't see the curve doesn't mean it's not there. The earth is massive. I actually demeonstrated this as clearly as possible in my original video you presumably didn't watch since you didn't address it in any way.
no research is needed
Well, that's where your kind and the rest of the world fundamentally disagree. If you haven't actually looked up or read or experimented on the suez canal, why come up with such random claims and conclusions? This is drunk talk.
200 proofs.
I obviously am not going to go through 200 things just for a comment, but I will pick a random one and I bet you I can answer it:
Since the North Pole and Antarctica are covered in ice and guarded “no-fly” zones, no ships or planes have ever been known to circumnavigate the Earth in North/South directions. The only kind of circumnavigation which could not happen on a flat-Earth is North/Southbound, which is likely the very reason for the heavily-enforced flight restrictions. The fact that there has yet to be a single verified North/South circumnavigation of Earth serves as standing proof the world is not a ball.
This is absurd for many reasons. For a start, even if there was some secret government force to prevent people visiting the north and south, how does this prove anything related to the shape of the earth? It only proves the government are trying to hide something from people. That could be aliens or A new type of durable pocket watch for all we know. This is not proof.
Also, People have circumnavigated north-south, so this is an outright lie and you know it. Ranulph Fiennes and Charles Burton did it in the early 80's. Cruise ships and visitors, research scientists and more can all go there, but there are some protections to keep the environment pristine. That's not to say nobody can go - LOTS of people go. In fact, 34,000 tourists visit in any given year.
Planes obviously can't circumnavigate because they can't fly that far in any situation. Not enough fuel capacity and other physical limitations. Nobody can make a ship go through the antarctic because it's a continent - made of rock like Africa or anything else. It just has a bunch of ice on top. But not completely:
There are numerous research stations and so forth at the Antarctic at any given time and many people go there and record their experiences on YouTube during their University studies or anything else. I'm sure if you actually looked into getting a permit, you could just as easily go too (Though it's probably quite expensive).
Thanks to climate change, by the way, shipping companies are increasingly taking advantage of the melted routes through the north, and we will see this become increasingly routine. There are plenty of videos on YouTube for you to enjoy. There's obviously likely very few going through the antarctic because... why would you? It's far easier to just go across or around.
You need to consider the way you think, and force yourself to scrutinize your own beliefs and actually actively work towards seeking answers rather than just pushing somebody's question on YouTube as a rhetorical PROOF that things are a lie. Indeed, the truth is out there, whether or not it's the truth you want to hear.
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