Playing Statist's Advocate here: Sure individual people can be bad, we just need a reliable system of law to keep everyone honest. Perhaps we could tweak the Constitution a bit and come up with the perfect system. We'd probably have to make some changes on how the voice of the People is heard and obeyed by Government. Assuming we could come up with a system that actually represented what the People want done, that is, it ONLY did what the majority of the People want done, and we had effective ways to insure this and keep politicians honest, wouldn't THAT solve the problems with Government? I think you need to address this to bring the Constitution supporters around. This is the kind of thoughts they have in their head and I don't think they are even listening when you talk about other stuff.