US v China Trade War Begins. What is Happening to Markets?
US v China Trade War Begins
Human beings huh. We just don't learn from the past.
Imposing tariffs on trade, while it may seem like helping local business on the surface, does more harm than good when you lose the ability to specialise.
Donald Trump restricting trade via the imposition of tariffs will do nothing for the people that he is claiming to protect from the big bad Chinamen and will instead bend them over and fuck them in their own arse.
Now it's not even like we're talking about forgetting things that didn't work for society thousands of years ago or anything, we're talking about just a few decades.
People that lived through this stuff the first time, are actually the ones making the same mistakes in positions of power right now.
It's absolutely mind blowing to me how ridiculously stupid human beings are. It is just that fucking ridiculous to me that I just... can't.What is Happening to Markets?
Well open up the stock charts app on your phone and have a look.
Red. Down. Burn.
US stocks got pumped as Trump followed up a Fed rate hike by stoking the coals of a trade war fire. I remember being taught in high school economics that monetary policy needed the support of fiscal policy to be an effective tool and hilariously after how bullish on the state of the economy the Fed was just yesterday, the president goes and creates this mess to appease voters in the Midwest of the country who of course don't know shit about economics themselves.
They don't have to though. It's not their fucking job. It is the president and his adviser's job though.
You can forgive voters for being ignorant, but you can't forgive the ones that are in charge.
Well after the US session was a tankfest, Asia followed suit as the Chinese timed in with their own retaliatory restrictions back at the US and just like petty fucking children, adult human being who know they need a globally connected economy for everyone to prosper, were at war with each other.
Have I made it clear how ridiculous I think this entire situation is yet? Because it's fucking ridiculous that we are doing this!
Now I get that the Federal Reserve is independent blah blah blah, but the way that they recklessly, and that's what it was, hiked rates yesterday with this Donald Trump trade war rubbish hanging over the head of the entire economy, was reckless.
There's no other word to use. That's the word.
My opinion is that shit is going to properly, globally hit the fan in the coming months and I'm happy that I'm a short term trader who's invested deeper in crypto than I am in equities.
Human beings within the modern day society that we've created for ourselves are fucking muppets. That's all there is to it.China and the US are moving closer to a trade war
Many policymakers in the US capital today say carrots are useless when it comes to dealing with China. Republicans and Democrats now are wielding sticks.
China's activities in the US are worrying many American policymakers, who believe that Chinese investments are giving Beijing a strategic foreign policy advantage.
This tension could lead to more overt, widespread hostilities on the economic front.
US President Donald Trump's mantra before and since his tour of Asia earlier this month touted the need for countries to accept each other's unique characteristics to ensure prosperity for the world's great civilisations.
The message of harmony might have offset discord caused by Trump's harsh criticism of multilateral trade and investment deals during the trip. When it comes to civilization, however, the course in Washington appears set for a clash rather than cooperation and mutual respect.
Amid a push by lawmakers to apply greater scrutiny to Chinese investments in the US, multiple investigations launched by Trump's administration targeting China threatened to destabilize Sino-US close economic and cultural ties, which have underpinned prosperity for the Asia-Pacific region for decades, trade officials and analysts interviewed by the South China Morning Post said.
At one time, a "Washington consensus" had assumed closer economic integration with China would encourage Beijing to open its markets and provide greater opportunities for foreign companies. That agreement has now changed. Many policymakers in the US capital today say carrots are useless when it comes to dealing with China.
Republicans and Democrats now are wielding sticks.
But He Yafei, China's former vice-minister of foreign affairs, said US lawmakers "should listen to all segments of the American people, not just the defence department".
"We understand there are some strategic concerns about China, but we should not be hijacked by this extreme thinking," He said.
The former diplomat was referring to a recently declassified US defence department study that mobilized lawmakers on both sides of the aisle with its assertion that China's investment activity in the US "will directly enable key means of foreign military advantage".
"Washington has been struggling for a long time about what is the best way to get China to adapt and change, what would work and what would also preserve the system, the global trading system that we have," Scott Kennedy, director of the Project on Chinese Business and Political Economy at the Washington-based think tank Centre for Strategic and International Studies, said.
"Trump is less risk averse than all of his predecessors," Kennedy said. "The logic of the president [when negotiating with US companies operating in China] is that, 'Yes, maybe you'll lose some sliver of that current piece of cake that you have access to, but if you want to expand the size of the cake then you might potentially have access to China or elsewhere, then you have to be willing to put this current slice at risk'."
China and the US may be coming to a head over trade hostilities.AP ImagesProposed changes to the way the US government reviews foreign investment gained more urgency owing to the defence department's study, a 49-page document called "China's Technology Transfer Strategy: How Chinese Investments in Emerging Technology Enable a Strategic Competitor to Access the Crown Jewels of US Innovation".
The report, initially circulated among US lawmakers a few weeks after Trump took office in late January, addressed the government's concerns about China at a very high level, even suggesting there was potential for a civilizational clash that Trump, in Asia, said countries could avoid if they played by mutually agreed-upon rules.
The Foreign Investment Risk Review Modernization Act, co-authored by Senate Majority Whip John Cornyn, a Republican, and Dianne Feinstein, a senior Democrat, has broad support in Congress. If enacted, the legislation would expand foreign investment review procedures overseen by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States (CFIUS), which is chaired by the treasury secretary and seeks input from the departments of defence and homeland security.
Significant changes to the CFIUS review process include giving it authority to review all "non-passive" investments by foreign entities and suspend pending transactions and impose new conditions, retroactively, on completed transactions. CFIUS now only reviews transactions in which a foreign party wants a controlling interest in a US company and makes recommendations to the president on the national security threat posed by a proposed transaction.
New requirements in the bill "have the practical effect of subjecting many Chinese acquisitions to mandatory review", according to an analysis by US law firm Stroock & Stroock & Lavan, which represents companies facing CFIUS reviews.
"The proposed [Cornyn-Feinstein] bill would constitute the most significant change in the last 10 years to US review of foreign investment and merits close attention, especially in the current environment where there is an increasing degree of protectionist rhetoric," according to a memo by Wachtell, Lipton, Rosen & Katz, another law firm representing foreign companies investing in the US.
While CFIUS is designed to halt the transfer to US adversaries of advanced "dual-use" technologies - those that can be adapted for military use - lawmakers are calling for the process to cover transactions that would give Chinese companies control over large pools of personally identifiable data. Such data, analysts and other observers warn, could make government officials and active members of the US military vulnerable to blackmail or offers to engage in espionage.
The concern over access to data partly explains the delay in US government approval for Ant Financial's US$1.2 billion takeover of US money transfer service MoneyGram. The buyer has been trying to secure the approval since April.
Many analysts and policymakers have pointed out that MoneyGram would not be allowed, under China's laws, to acquire Ant Financial, further pushing the effort to crack down on Chinese investments in the US.
"We are not commenting on the CFIUS process, but we are continuing to work with the various regulatory agencies and remain focused on closing the transaction by the end of the year," Ant Financial said in September. The company is a financial affiliate of Alibaba Group, which also owns the South China Morning Post.
Other threats to the US-Chinaeconomic relationship include an investigation under section 301 of the US Trade Act of 1974 into Chinese regulations that force US companies operating in China to transfer technology and intellectual property rights to local business partners.
The investigation could lead to unilateral US trade remedy actions such as tariffs meant to compensate the US for losses American companies have sustained from Beijing's trade regulations or a dispute settlement process within the World Trade Organisation.
"The outstanding question is, after the investigation concludes, if there are adverse findings, how our government handles these findings, whether they go forward with consultations to resolve the problem, or go with [a] dispute settlement in the WTO, or take unilateral actions like sanctions against China," said Anna Ashton, director of business advisory services at the Washington-based US-China Business Council.
"If the government were to take unilateral actions, then there will be a risk that we will be out of compliance of our international obligations," she said. "Then we will be starting a trade war, perhaps."
The People's Republic of China flag and the U.S. Stars and Stripes fly along Pennsylvania Avenue near the U.S. Capitol in Washington.REUTERS/Hyungwon KangIn addition to CFIUS legislation and the section 301 investigation, the US Commerce Department since March has been looking into the impact on national security of imports of steel and aluminum, an initiative aimed at imports from China more than any other country.
Commenting on these investigations in July, Trump said of China: "They're dumping steel and destroying our steel industry. They've been doing it for decades, and I'm stopping it. It'll stop … There are two ways: quotas and tariffs. Maybe I'll do both."
Since Trump returned to Washington, there's been no official effort on the part of China to defuse the concerns behind Cornyn and Feinstein's bill or the government investigations.
"I don't think there are so many projects Chinese are investing in here related to national security," Li Bin, who heads the economic affairs section of China's embassy in Washington, said. "In the past there were a few cases but not many.
"Recommendations by the US Congress to strengthen the CFIUS examinations or assessments of Chinese investments, they are not very constructive."
The counselor for economic affairs urged Chinese enterprises and CFIUS to engage more often in discussions that would reveal more "about the nature" of a project and its intentions. "Communication is very important," Li said, adding that he is not aware of any effort so far to open such dialogue.
Spokesmen for the US chapter of the China General Chamber of Commerce, which represents more than 1,500 mainland Chinese enterprises operating in the country, said they could not find any CGCC members to comment on possible changes to CFIUS or other potential trade action by the US against China.
"The Chinese don't want to be seen as directly lobbying on American legislation," CSIS's Scott Kennedy said. "They also know that the course of legislation is never straightforward and that there is a vigorous debate within the United States. If they are seen as overly poking their fingers into this, they could get burned."
Still, China has many options when it comes to retaliation, and analysts expect Beijing to use them.
"If there's trade tension, US companies will face certain risks on a number of grounds, including anti-monopoly laws, anticorruption laws and consumer protection laws," Sherman Chu, a DLA Piper lawyer who advises companies undergoing CFIUS reviews, said. "Authorities in China have more discretion over how they go about interpreting the rules than they do in the US.
"China's leaders have said that many international rules were set by other countries when China was weak and had little input. So it's not a surprise that China hasn't always been willing to live up to the spirit of these rules," Chu said.
"There's a risk of miscalculation resulting in a trade war, and the real question is whether the Trump and Xi administrations will be adroit enough to avoid it."
Not all of Washington's "China hands" agree that it is in the US' interests to ratchet up trade action against Beijing.
"The impression I have is there are still unresolved disagreements within the Trump administration of how to deal with these [bilateral trade-friction] questions," J Stapleton Roy, US ambassador to China under former presidents George HW Bush and Bill Clinton in the early 1990s, said.
Roy, who was born in China and raised there during the second world war and the communist revolution, is founding director emeritus of the Kissinger Institute on China and the United States at the Woodrow Wilson International Centre for Scholars, a Washington think tank.
"If we take unilateral actions against China, China will retaliate with unilateral actions against us," Roy said. "Where is the net benefit? Who gains from that?"
Speaking at a lunch at the New York-based China Institute last week, vice-minister He addressed the geostrategic concerns around China's new ranking among global powers.
"China wants to invest much more in the United States, but we've met quite strong political resistance," He said. "I can understand the strategic anxiety on the part of the US about China's growth. We are ready to move from prosperity to become a powerful nation, one of the global powers.
"For the US to feel anxious about China is understandable, but we should not let that anxiety take over, to become the sole guideline for foreign policy."
US President Donald Trump ponders trade war with China.
Trump has ordered a review of Chinese trade practices that force foreign firms to partner with Chinese firms. This comes shortly after he praised Beijing for its support of harsher UN sanctions on North Korea.
While US President Donald Trump presses China to step up pressure against North Korea, he is considering sparking a trade war with the world's second largest economy.
On Monday, Trump plans to sign an executive order asking his trade office to investigate China for its alleged theft of American technology and intellectual property.
The president, who is vacationing at his golf club in the state of New Jersey, said Friday that he planned to return to Washington on Monday "for a very important meeting" and "we're going to have a pretty big press conference."
It was not immediately clear whether his trade dispute with Beijing would be the subject.
The commissioned report may take a year to compile but could lead to US sanctions against Beijing.
Still, Trump praised China Friday for supporting the recent UN vote to ratchet up sanctions against North Korea. In a phone call with Chinese President Xi Jinping, the two leaders reaffirmed their shared desire for a nuclear-free Korean peninsula.
Trump, however, also informed Xi about the pending probe into China's trade practices, according to two US officials with knowledge of the conversation. They spoke on condition of anonymity as they were not authorized to discuss the private call.
The Trump administration suspects China of appropriating US know-how
Access to China
In particular, Trump wants an examination of Chinese trade practices that force American companies to share their intellectual property if they want access to the world's second largest economy.
US businesses are often forced to create joint ventures with a Chinese partner and turn over valuable technology assets, a practice the White House claims stymies US economic growth.The latest review will be conducted by the US trade representative under the Trade Act of 1974.
Depending on the results, the US could either seek remedies through the World Trade Organization or outside of it.
China under US scrutiny
"China also funds and facilitates the acquisition of US firms that possess advanced technologies," US officials said.
They added, "If Americans continue to have their best technologies and intellectual property stolen or forcibly transferred off-shore, the United States will find it difficult to maintain its current technology leadership position."
Chinese commercial policy aimed to acquire and absorb the intellectual property of the United States and other countries around the world, according to the officials.
China's foreign and commerce ministries did not immediately respond to requests for comment Sunday.
The Trump administration is already investigating Chinese commercial practices on several fronts, notably whether steel and aluminum imports were jeopardizing national security.
On Tuesday, Washington announced preliminary sanctions against imports of Chinese aluminum foil.