Sweet, both sound tasty. I'm in the Central Valley of California so should be able to find that Stone Pilsner, looks like they're brewing under their Arrogant Brewing label. Firestone-Walker Pivo Pils

Nice, been nerding on beer since I had an impulse buy of a Mr. Beer on Woot back in 05 or so. Hated it at first, but made myself like it since I was brewing it. Now 10 years later and still homebrewing