Or we know that there are no options when you go back to your old neighborhood or whatever, and you end up in the same pattern that you did before because you don't have any options and jobs are hard to come by if you're a convicted felon, all the things.
But what's the biggest gap that we could actually close with not only taxpayer dollars but infrastructure changes that we can actually start to make this actually a really positive thing?
Well, I think there's things, they call them criminogenic needs or criminogenic factors. There's generally eight of them, and the top tier ones are things like antisocial behavior, impulsive behavior, a sense of entitlement, and hanging out with people that have those things.
So those are the top ones. The bottom tier ones are no high school education, no job experience, no job, and maybe some medical issues and addiction issues. So those are the criminogenic factors.
So if you're going to focus on anti-recidivism programs, you have to focus on those. And to focus on the top tier ones, you have to have what they call cognitive behavioral therapy programs. And when you have those where they focus on where you're changing the thinking.
The program we used in the jail system that I ran, went over some programs, was Thinking for a Change. That was the primary CBT therapy program that we used. And it seemed to be successful, but it never guaranteed total success.